From psrioux at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 18:07:41 2015
From: psrioux at gmail.com (Pierre Samuel Rioux)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 19:07:41 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] LED light made from laptop INTERESTING
Message-ID: <CAAQcLDxTFiwhGTUWrYGeObJSun_s6hqqijrvygUaXqK8Tp7POw@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2KK4YiOO1o

From speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com  Fri Nov 13 05:41:35 2015
From: speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com (Speedbird@acousticturtle.plus.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 11:41:35 +0000
Subject: [Konvas] LED light made from laptop INTERESTING
In-Reply-To: <CAAQcLDxTFiwhGTUWrYGeObJSun_s6hqqijrvygUaXqK8Tp7POw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAQcLDxTFiwhGTUWrYGeObJSun_s6hqqijrvygUaXqK8Tp7POw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6FB0366E-72DE-4106-B3C7-7F22D5673114@acousticturtle.plus.com>

Just what I needed for the winter blues!  Will give it a go.

Rita

Sent from my iPad

> On 13 Nov 2015, at 00:07, Pierre Samuel Rioux <psrioux at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2KK4YiOO1o
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
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> 
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> 
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From thefirstrule at chainsawlinux.com  Mon Nov 16 09:00:34 2015
From: thefirstrule at chainsawlinux.com (Adam Frey)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 10:00:34 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] Raf is selling 6 lens set
Message-ID: <5C4B95B7-07B1-4158-A63D-EB6FF15A6EAA@chainsawlinux.com>

Not sure who's on Raf's email list, but saw that he's selling a PL mounted cine lens set. Thought I'd share here:

http://www.rafcamera.com/en/set-6-lomo-lenses-01
22mm, 28mm, 35mm, 50mm, 75mm, 150mm

I haven't shot anything since we opened the brewery, but it looks to be a decent set of lenses for a very reasonable price! And Raf has always stood behind his work. So anyone interested should check this set out!


Cheers,

Adam Frey
Frey's Brewing Company
8601 Mapleville Road
Mount Airy, MD 21771

http://FreysBrewing.com/
http://twitter.com/FreysBrewing
http://facebook.com/FreysBrewing



From speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com  Mon Nov 16 10:11:46 2015
From: speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com (Speedbird@acousticturtle.plus.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 16:11:46 +0000
Subject: [Konvas] Raf is selling 6 lens set
In-Reply-To: <5C4B95B7-07B1-4158-A63D-EB6FF15A6EAA@chainsawlinux.com>
References: <5C4B95B7-07B1-4158-A63D-EB6FF15A6EAA@chainsawlinux.com>
Message-ID: <4F4DA2F8-6A5A-4BCB-BFFC-C13ABDE79346@acousticturtle.plus.com>

Thanks Adam,

Very nice set, price is reasonable too. 

Rita

Sent from my iPad

> On 16 Nov 2015, at 15:00, Adam Frey <thefirstrule at chainsawlinux.com> wrote:
> 
> Not sure who's on Raf's email list, but saw that he's selling a PL mounted cine lens set. Thought I'd share here:
> 
> http://www.rafcamera.com/en/set-6-lomo-lenses-01
> 22mm, 28mm, 35mm, 50mm, 75mm, 150mm
> 
> I haven't shot anything since we opened the brewery, but it looks to be a decent set of lenses for a very reasonable price! And Raf has always stood behind his work. So anyone interested should check this set out!
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Adam Frey
> Frey's Brewing Company
> 8601 Mapleville Road
> Mount Airy, MD 21771
> 
> http://FreysBrewing.com/
> http://twitter.com/FreysBrewing
> http://facebook.com/FreysBrewing
> 
> 
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cinema mailing list
> Cinema at konvas.org
> http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema Cameras
> 
> Visit the discussion archives:
> http://konvas.org/list-archives.html
> 
> Join the Konvas Discussion List:
> http://mail.konvas.org/mailman/listinfo/cinema_konvas.org
> 
> Please be kind when replying and crop the replied message!!!


From olivierauverlau at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 11:06:39 2015
From: olivierauverlau at gmail.com (Olivier)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:06:39 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] still need front lens glass Angenieux ...
In-Reply-To: <4F4DA2F8-6A5A-4BCB-BFFC-C13ABDE79346@acousticturtle.plus.com>
References: <5C4B95B7-07B1-4158-A63D-EB6FF15A6EAA@chainsawlinux.com>
	<4F4DA2F8-6A5A-4BCB-BFFC-C13ABDE79346@acousticturtle.plus.com>
Message-ID: <F628C986-74EE-463F-BB44-20F8DF4C22DE@gmail.com>

hi all, i still need the front glass elem,net for my old angenieux ?.
ABELCINE don t have it ?. 
i write to ANGENIEUX in france to ask them , but any info is welcome were find this front glass element . 
it don t affect the image but i use it in commercials shots (in digital cameras) but nobody want see this crash on set !!! 

bests, olivier . 

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From speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com  Mon Nov 16 11:43:56 2015
From: speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com (Speedbird@acousticturtle.plus.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 17:43:56 +0000
Subject: [Konvas] still need front lens glass Angenieux ...
In-Reply-To: <F628C986-74EE-463F-BB44-20F8DF4C22DE@gmail.com>
References: <5C4B95B7-07B1-4158-A63D-EB6FF15A6EAA@chainsawlinux.com>
	<4F4DA2F8-6A5A-4BCB-BFFC-C13ABDE79346@acousticturtle.plus.com>
	<F628C986-74EE-463F-BB44-20F8DF4C22DE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B85E4F3E-A59F-4FBD-8553-F1B38ED43170@acousticturtle.plus.com>

Olivier,

It's very hard to comprehend the damage on your lens. It looks like an impact of some sort but not sure if the glass has smashed or not, the actual impact was on the side of the lens which has compressed the edge of the glass element but thankfully stopped short and saved the rest of the element from further damage. You have confirmed that the image has not been affected and so the lens is still usuable. There is no reason to repair it unless obcourse you want to sell it.  You will have to take a 10-15% cut in from its value  but that's all. It is still a useable lens as it is and holds a commercial value. You will be lucky to get an answer from Angie as I have tried before trying to get spares for my lenses but you may be lucky. I have asked a number of rental houses to contact me if they come across any spares for your lens but there been no luck so far. These older lenses have now passed on to collectors around the world and trying to establish where they are is a mine field in itself. Personally, I don't think anybody would notice if you are using a cracked lens or not but if it worries you then cut a circle of electrical tape around the inner circle  so to cover the damage up, nobody will know! 

A trade tip, is to use "jewellers Rouge" which I actually use for taking out scratches but in your case rub it over the area and leave it in a Matt finish, do not polish it off with finishing polish.  You will not notice the damage, naturally advise the buyer that this is what you have done and let them decide if they still want it. I would claim insurance and get a new one but that's up to you. Getting hold of spares for Angie glass is a real headache.

Will let you know if any spares turn up.

Rita

Sent from my iPad

> On 16 Nov 2015, at 17:06, Olivier <olivierauverlau at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> hi all, i still need the front glass elem,net for my old angenieux ?.
> ABELCINE don t have it ?. 
> i write to ANGENIEUX in france to ask them , but any info is welcome were find this front glass element . 
> it don t affect the image but i use it in commercials shots (in digital cameras) but nobody want see this crash on set !!! 
> 
> bests, olivier . 
> 
> <IMG_1454.JPG>
> <IMG_1456.JPG>
> <IMG_1453.JPG>
> <IMG_1455.JPG>
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cinema mailing list
> Cinema at konvas.org
> http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema Cameras
> 
> Visit the discussion archives:
> http://konvas.org/list-archives.html
> 
> Join the Konvas Discussion List:
> http://mail.konvas.org/mailman/listinfo/cinema_konvas.org
> 
> Please be kind when replying and crop the replied message!!!


From speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com  Mon Nov 16 11:53:14 2015
From: speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com (Speedbird@acousticturtle.plus.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 17:53:14 +0000
Subject: [Konvas] still need front lens glass Angenieux ...
In-Reply-To: <F628C986-74EE-463F-BB44-20F8DF4C22DE@gmail.com>
References: <5C4B95B7-07B1-4158-A63D-EB6FF15A6EAA@chainsawlinux.com>
	<4F4DA2F8-6A5A-4BCB-BFFC-C13ABDE79346@acousticturtle.plus.com>
	<F628C986-74EE-463F-BB44-20F8DF4C22DE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40BBEBED-CD60-436C-AF16-77037F5A8903@acousticturtle.plus.com>

My last post should have read "black electrical tape around the outer circle" not inner circle.
Silly cow!!!

Sent from my iPad

> On 16 Nov 2015, at 17:06, Olivier <olivierauverlau at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> hi all, i still need the front glass elem,net for my old angenieux ?.
> ABELCINE don t have it ?. 
> i write to ANGENIEUX in france to ask them , but any info is welcome were find this front glass element . 
> it don t affect the image but i use it in commercials shots (in digital cameras) but nobody want see this crash on set !!! 
> 
> bests, olivier . 
> 
> <IMG_1454.JPG>
> <IMG_1456.JPG>
> <IMG_1453.JPG>
> <IMG_1455.JPG>
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cinema mailing list
> Cinema at konvas.org
> http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema Cameras
> 
> Visit the discussion archives:
> http://konvas.org/list-archives.html
> 
> Join the Konvas Discussion List:
> http://mail.konvas.org/mailman/listinfo/cinema_konvas.org
> 
> Please be kind when replying and crop the replied message!!!


From olivierauverlau at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 12:01:33 2015
From: olivierauverlau at gmail.com (Olivier)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:01:33 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] still need front lens glass Angenieux ...
In-Reply-To: <B85E4F3E-A59F-4FBD-8553-F1B38ED43170@acousticturtle.plus.com>
References: <5C4B95B7-07B1-4158-A63D-EB6FF15A6EAA@chainsawlinux.com>
	<4F4DA2F8-6A5A-4BCB-BFFC-C13ABDE79346@acousticturtle.plus.com>
	<F628C986-74EE-463F-BB44-20F8DF4C22DE@gmail.com>
	<B85E4F3E-A59F-4FBD-8553-F1B38ED43170@acousticturtle.plus.com>
Message-ID: <CF3972FF-F11D-4543-90AF-837298FC2F64@gmail.com>

thanks RITA ?. i use it , but the problem is when i want rent it for shooting ? !!!!! 
the scratch is like a NAIL OFF ? so polish it will not desappear the punch on the glass ?. 
will try the Camouflage version ? ""  with a plastic sheet cutter round with laser ? and MASK the damage ?. 
thanks a lot ? 


Olivier
olivierauverlau at gmail.com



El 16/11/2015, a las 12:43, "Speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com" <speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com> escribi?:

> Olivier,
> 
> It's very hard to comprehend the damage on your lens. It looks like an impact of some sort but not sure if the glass has smashed or not, the actual impact was on the side of the lens which has compressed the edge of the glass element but thankfully stopped short and saved the rest of the element from further damage. You have confirmed that the image has not been affected and so the lens is still usuable. There is no reason to repair it unless obcourse you want to sell it.  You will have to take a 10-15% cut in from its value  but that's all. It is still a useable lens as it is and holds a commercial value. You will be lucky to get an answer from Angie as I have tried before trying to get spares for my lenses but you may be lucky. I have asked a number of rental houses to contact me if they come across any spares for your lens but there been no luck so far. These older lenses have now passed on to collectors around the world and trying to establish where they are is a mine field in itself. Personally, I don't think anybody would notice if you are using a cracked lens or not but if it worries you then cut a circle of electrical tape around the inner circle  so to cover the damage up, nobody will know! 
> 
> A trade tip, is to use "jewellers Rouge" which I actually use for taking out scratches but in your case rub it over the area and leave it in a Matt finish, do not polish it off with finishing polish.  You will not notice the damage, naturally advise the buyer that this is what you have done and let them decide if they still want it. I would claim insurance and get a new one but that's up to you. Getting hold of spares for Angie glass is a real headache.
> 
> Will let you know if any spares turn up.
> 
> Rita
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 16 Nov 2015, at 17:06, Olivier <olivierauverlau at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> hi all, i still need the front glass elem,net for my old angenieux ?.
>> ABELCINE don t have it ?. 
>> i write to ANGENIEUX in france to ask them , but any info is welcome were find this front glass element . 
>> it don t affect the image but i use it in commercials shots (in digital cameras) but nobody want see this crash on set !!! 
>> 
>> bests, olivier . 
>> 
>> <IMG_1454.JPG>
>> <IMG_1456.JPG>
>> <IMG_1453.JPG>
>> <IMG_1455.JPG>
>> 
>> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
>> 
>> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
>> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cinema mailing list
>> Cinema at konvas.org
>> http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema Cameras
>> 
>> Visit the discussion archives:
>> http://konvas.org/list-archives.html
>> 
>> Join the Konvas Discussion List:
>> http://mail.konvas.org/mailman/listinfo/cinema_konvas.org
>> 
>> Please be kind when replying and crop the replied message!!!
> 
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cinema mailing list
> Cinema at konvas.org
> http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema Cameras
> 
> Visit the discussion archives:
> http://konvas.org/list-archives.html
> 
> Join the Konvas Discussion List:
> http://mail.konvas.org/mailman/listinfo/cinema_konvas.org
> 
> Please be kind when replying and crop the replied message!!!



From olivierauverlau at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 13:44:52 2015
From: olivierauverlau at gmail.com (Olivier)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 14:44:52 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] clone of mine !!!!! KINOR 2perf ...
In-Reply-To: <CF3972FF-F11D-4543-90AF-837298FC2F64@gmail.com>
References: <5C4B95B7-07B1-4158-A63D-EB6FF15A6EAA@chainsawlinux.com>
	<4F4DA2F8-6A5A-4BCB-BFFC-C13ABDE79346@acousticturtle.plus.com>
	<F628C986-74EE-463F-BB44-20F8DF4C22DE@gmail.com>
	<B85E4F3E-A59F-4FBD-8553-F1B38ED43170@acousticturtle.plus.com>
	<CF3972FF-F11D-4543-90AF-837298FC2F64@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B6FB61DA-5879-4339-AB01-33AD6E71692C@uio.satnet.net>

exact same than my camera !!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kinor-35H-35mm-Motion-Picture-2-Perf-TECHNISCOPE-/281854690875?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276
who is the seller ????
member of the group ?

olivier . 



From psrioux at gmail.com  Fri Nov 27 18:53:19 2015
From: psrioux at gmail.com (Pierre Samuel Rioux)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 19:53:19 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
Message-ID: <CAAQcLDwg9duGrr+Qub+GdpDmnLYcMN9zefzZZaA73HMC=2Z9_Q@mail.gmail.com>

HOPE TO HAVE A CINEMA PLAYING THIS ON FILM AT LESS OF A DAY FORM HOME ! IN
CANADA or USA i will go to watch it.

THAT IS A REAL: FILM EVENT !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGg2N32Z-co

From colcam at aim.com  Fri Nov 27 19:29:22 2015
From: colcam at aim.com (colcam at aim.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 20:29:22 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
In-Reply-To: <CAAQcLDwg9duGrr+Qub+GdpDmnLYcMN9zefzZZaA73HMC=2Z9_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAQcLDwg9duGrr+Qub+GdpDmnLYcMN9zefzZZaA73HMC=2Z9_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1514bb57826-7f52-a34b@webstg-a08.mail.aol.com>

I hate to admit this, but from his actions, statements, and the product he put forth I choose not to have anything to do with QT or any of his work.  His false and insulting portrayals of behavior frighten me, and that anyone can be a fan of his raises fright to the level of terror.  

What you termed a film event I call an atrocity on screen; nasty, ugly, and intended to line his pockets at the cost of common dignity and honesty.

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Pierre Samuel Rioux <psrioux at gmail.com>
To: cinema <cinema at konvas.org>
Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2015 7:53 pm
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN

HOPE TO HAVE A CINEMA PLAYING THIS ON FILM AT LESS OF A DAY FORM HOME ! IN
CANADA or USA i will go to watch it.

THAT IS A REAL: FILM EVENT !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGg2N32Z-co

WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.

Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html

_______________________________________________
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From overtoom at mac.com  Sat Nov 28 01:41:52 2015
From: overtoom at mac.com (Andrew Overtoom)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 23:41:52 -0800
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
In-Reply-To: <CAAQcLDwg9duGrr+Qub+GdpDmnLYcMN9zefzZZaA73HMC=2Z9_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAQcLDwg9duGrr+Qub+GdpDmnLYcMN9zefzZZaA73HMC=2Z9_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79779EB3-258F-41AB-934D-F943D932C623@mac.com>

This looks amazing, I can't wait to see it.
I agree Pierre, it is a true film event! Thanks for the heads up!

-Andrew Overtoom

Sent from where I am, to where you are... through a series of tubes

> On Nov 27, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Pierre Samuel Rioux <psrioux at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> HOPE TO HAVE A CINEMA PLAYING THIS ON FILM AT LESS OF A DAY FORM HOME ! IN
> CANADA or USA i will go to watch it.
> 
> THAT IS A REAL: FILM EVENT !
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGg2N32Z-co
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cinema mailing list
> Cinema at konvas.org
> http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema Cameras
> 
> Visit the discussion archives:
> http://konvas.org/list-archives.html
> 
> Join the Konvas Discussion List:
> http://mail.konvas.org/mailman/listinfo/cinema_konvas.org
> 
> Please be kind when replying and crop the replied message!!!


From speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com  Sat Nov 28 04:59:39 2015
From: speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com (Speedbird@acousticturtle.plus.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:59:39 +0000
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
In-Reply-To: <CAAQcLDwg9duGrr+Qub+GdpDmnLYcMN9zefzZZaA73HMC=2Z9_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAQcLDwg9duGrr+Qub+GdpDmnLYcMN9zefzZZaA73HMC=2Z9_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8EA0F14C-BEA9-4541-972C-5EB0E3BA63B1@acousticturtle.plus.com>

Very interesting. Not sure how they have made it "Ultra" 65mm using old 65's but they seem to have done it.  Kurt Russell is one of my favourites and will sell any film, unfortunately Tarentino is over rated imo so am eager to see this film in all of its glory. I love 70mm movies and is the perfect format for shooting "grand" films but is this a "grand" film. A film set in the winter is not taking full advantage of the merits of 65mm.  A bold film format needs bold scenic locations to match, that will hold your breath from the beginning to the end.

Time will tell. Nice to see old glass being used again.

Rita

Sent from my iPad

> On 28 Nov 2015, at 00:53, Pierre Samuel Rioux <psrioux at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> HOPE TO HAVE A CINEMA PLAYING THIS ON FILM AT LESS OF A DAY FORM HOME ! IN
> CANADA or USA i will go to watch it.
> 
> THAT IS A REAL: FILM EVENT !
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGg2N32Z-co
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
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From mustafaumutsarac at gmail.com  Sat Nov 28 06:06:38 2015
From: mustafaumutsarac at gmail.com (Mustafa Umut Sarac)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:06:38 +0200
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
In-Reply-To: <8EA0F14C-BEA9-4541-972C-5EB0E3BA63B1@acousticturtle.plus.com>
References: <CAAQcLDwg9duGrr+Qub+GdpDmnLYcMN9zefzZZaA73HMC=2Z9_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<8EA0F14C-BEA9-4541-972C-5EB0E3BA63B1@acousticturtle.plus.com>
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I think problem is whether the film is old technicolor or ordinary blue
cast kodak movie film. If I want to a good scenic color , I would buy
national geographic magazine printed by rotogravure. I dont think tarantino
created a new ben hur and
computer glasses can imitate huge screens for 50 dollar , a little bit
photoshop , a little bit fx , you can watch every movie in that direction
with glasses

On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com <
speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com> wrote:

> Very interesting. Not sure how they have made it "Ultra" 65mm using old
> 65's but they seem to have done it.  Kurt Russell is one of my favourites
> and will sell any film, unfortunately Tarentino is over rated imo so am
> eager to see this film in all of its glory. I love 70mm movies and is the
> perfect format for shooting "grand" films but is this a "grand" film. A
> film set in the winter is not taking full advantage of the merits of 65mm.
> A bold film format needs bold scenic locations to match, that will hold
> your breath from the beginning to the end.
>
> Time will tell. Nice to see old glass being used again.
>
> Rita
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 28 Nov 2015, at 00:53, Pierre Samuel Rioux <psrioux at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > HOPE TO HAVE A CINEMA PLAYING THIS ON FILM AT LESS OF A DAY FORM HOME !
> IN
> > CANADA or USA i will go to watch it.
> >
> > THAT IS A REAL: FILM EVENT !
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGg2N32Z-co
> >
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> Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs
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From photones at juno.com  Sat Nov 28 07:52:15 2015
From: photones at juno.com (photones at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 13:52:15 GMT
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
Message-ID: <20151128.085215.18991.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

Whether or not you care for the subject matter,there now exists a new(?) camera to take advantage of this glorious format. Three cheers for Tarantino! ....couldn't you just cradle those lenses!!

From colcam at aim.com  Sat Nov 28 10:00:50 2015
From: colcam at aim.com (colcam at aim.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 11:00:50 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
In-Reply-To: <20151128.085215.18991.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com>
References: <20151128.085215.18991.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <1514ed352f8-15e2-b063@webstg-m08.mail.aol.com>

Slap a new label on an old dog and you can convince the gullible you have a new super dog.  

He's talking people into believing he has a new dog.

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: photones <photones at juno.com>

Whether or not you care for the subject matter,there now exists a new(?) camera to take advantage of this glorious format. Three cheers for Tarantino! ....couldn't you just cradle those lenses!!

.


From overtoom at mac.com  Sat Nov 28 11:58:44 2015
From: overtoom at mac.com (Andrew Overtoom)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 09:58:44 -0800
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
In-Reply-To: <1514ed352f8-15e2-b063@webstg-m08.mail.aol.com>
References: <20151128.085215.18991.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com>
	<1514ed352f8-15e2-b063@webstg-m08.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <6491A3ED-38C3-44AB-B4C1-8DA2064B2935@mac.com>

Well, he's making real films; I guess you can call that an old dog at this point.  But I don't really see why that should make some folks on this film camera list angry. Besides, what's the matter with an old dog?  I like old dogs.

Andrew Overtoom

Sent from where I am, to where you are... through a series of tubes

> On Nov 28, 2015, at 8:00 AM, colcam at aim.com wrote:
> 
> Slap a new label on an old dog and you can convince the gullible you have a new super dog.  
> 
> He's talking people into believing he has a new dog.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: photones <photones at juno.com>
> 
> Whether or not you care for the subject matter,there now exists a new(?) camera to take advantage of this glorious format. Three cheers for Tarantino! ....couldn't you just cradle those lenses!!
> 
> .
> 
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
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From photones at juno.com  Sat Nov 28 12:45:24 2015
From: photones at juno.com (photones at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 18:45:24 GMT
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
Message-ID: <20151128.134524.7548.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com>

 Panavision believed in it enough to modify a camera to accept the older lenses that hadn't been used since 1965. That has to count for something. So even if it is a resurrection it functions.....no? 

From colcam at aim.com  Sat Nov 28 14:28:55 2015
From: colcam at aim.com (colcam at aim.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 15:28:55 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
In-Reply-To: <20151128.134524.7548.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com>
References: <20151128.134524.7548.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <1514fc8c16a-15e2-b828@webstg-m08.mail.aol.com>

Modification of a camera body to accept older lenses means they took the CHEAP WAY OUT not something they believed in, they just settled for the cheapest way to do it.  Price new lenses, or even modification of several lenses to fit existing body types.  Modification of a body is cheaper than modification of one lens.

The look you froth over is what happens when large chunks of film are scanned at extreme high resolution and then processed through a full digital suite-- you are worshiping film strained through a digital intermediate to tweak colors and contrast.  That is how you get that great, snappy color, not some magical old lens and film stock being super duper stuff of all stuff. 

 
It is marketing being used to sell tickets, the image on the screen is an afterthought. 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: photones <photones at juno.com>

Panavision believed in it enough to modify a camera to accept the older lenses that hadn't been used since 1965. That has to count for something. So even if it is a resurrection it functions.....no? 

.


From photones at juno.com  Sat Nov 28 14:48:58 2015
From: photones at juno.com (photones at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 20:48:58 GMT
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
Message-ID: <20151128.154858.30929.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>

Guess I can't win. I don't know how authentic he tried to keep the look but he's gone to a lot of trouble just to project it back on film. I'm sure that Robert Richardson did his best with it and had fun too .Ain't much left like what used to be with anything these days....guns still use bullets.

From overtoom at mac.com  Sat Nov 28 15:32:35 2015
From: overtoom at mac.com (Andrew Overtoom)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 13:32:35 -0800
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
In-Reply-To: <1514fc8c16a-15e2-b828@webstg-m08.mail.aol.com>
References: <20151128.134524.7548.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com>
	<1514fc8c16a-15e2-b828@webstg-m08.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <E76C8FDC-EAB7-4EAF-A55D-D4A9C1628102@mac.com>

Colcam, we are looking forward to see your film, done the "right" way!  Until then I will have to be content with Tarantino's cheap and easy version :)

Sent from where I am, to where you are... through a series of tubes

> On Nov 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, colcam at aim.com wrote:
> 
> Modification of a camera body to accept older lenses means they took the CHEAP WAY OUT not something they believed in, they just settled for the cheapest way to do it.  Price new lenses, or even modification of several lenses to fit existing body types.  Modification of a body is cheaper than modification of one lens.
> 
> The look you froth over is what happens when large chunks of film are scanned at extreme high resolution and then processed through a full digital suite-- you are worshiping film strained through a digital intermediate to tweak colors and contrast.  That is how you get that great, snappy color, not some magical old lens and film stock being super duper stuff of all stuff. 
> 
> 
> It is marketing being used to sell tickets, the image on the screen is an afterthought. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: photones <photones at juno.com>
> 
> Panavision believed in it enough to modify a camera to accept the older lenses that hadn't been used since 1965. That has to count for something. So even if it is a resurrection it functions.....no? 
> 
> .
> 
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
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From colcam at aim.com  Sat Nov 28 15:55:19 2015
From: colcam at aim.com (colcam at aim.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 16:55:19 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
In-Reply-To: <E76C8FDC-EAB7-4EAF-A55D-D4A9C1628102@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1515017db31-15e2-bab0@webstg-m08.mail.aol.com>

Having spent a few decades in completion bond I am very, very aware of costs, delivered product, and what it makes the image on the screen the image on the screen.  This movie has nothing to do with doing it the right way or wrong way, it has to do with catch phrases, marketing, and selling "a concept of delivery" to those who buy into parroting the copywriter.  

This is all about marketing. 

If you get right down to it, it has always been all about marketing, but in this case they seek to reel in those who love the medium, hoping they do not realize that the emperor has no clothes.  The larger film image means you can get greater depth of field for a given angle of view-- remember the math that your image rides on?  Scan and play with the image, making the contrast between colors greater and you get the old Technicolor look, more or less, but make sure you have huge sections of monochrome to keep the budget down, and hype it like crazy. 

This is a marketing exploitation of those who love film-- and it is going to continue the loud, bold colors, the lack of real storytelling, the choppy bright and in your face display.   It could have been shot as well or better with 35mm anamorphic, exposure timed and color timed to perfection and told the story-- but look at it and you'll see hype and splash and choppy colors. 

It is a parody of the business and the art by someone who pushes to see what he can get away with before he has to take a ton of money and try something else.  

Look at it, don't just worship it.

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Overtoom <overtoom at mac.com>

Colcam, we are looking forward to see your film, done the "right" way!  Until then I will have to be content with Tarantino's cheap and easy version :)

Sent from where I am, to where you are... through a series of tubes

> On Nov 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, colcam at aim.com wrote:
> 
> Modification of a camera body to accept older lenses means they took the CHEAP WAY OUT not something they believed in, they just settled for the cheapest way to do it.  Price new lenses, or even modification of several lenses to fit existing body types.  Modification of a body is cheaper than modification of one lens.
> 
> The look you froth over is what happens when large chunks of film are scanned at extreme high resolution and then processed through a full digital suite-- you are worshiping film strained through a digital intermediate to tweak colors and contrast.  That is how you get that great, snappy color, not some magical old lens and film stock being super duper stuff of all stuff. 
> 
> 
> It is marketing being used to sell tickets, the image on the screen is an afterthought. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: photones <photones at juno.com>
> 
> Panavision believed in it enough to modify a camera to accept the older lenses that hadn't been used since 1965. That has to count for something. So even if it is a resurrection it functions.....no? 
> 
> ..


From psrioux at gmail.com  Sat Nov 28 16:20:02 2015
From: psrioux at gmail.com (Pierre Samuel Rioux)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 17:20:02 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] I AM NOT A TARANTINO FAN
Message-ID: <CAAQcLDyQLsjgDTsaWAO0=YHrAN6c_kzmbpANgUJx1oN5pPs-mw@mail.gmail.com>

With his film DJANGO a western in the Italian Style Tarantino respect the
style
and it's the only film from him i like. Tarantino was very disappointed
with the PLASTIC LOOK  of his Django film how was shot in film and was
available in 35mm also at this time.

I am a western fan and specially the one made in the Italian wave.

Western in winter in my collection you have some very good:

North Star with   1996  Christopher Lambert
Jeremiah Johnson 1972  Robert Redford
Breakheart Pass     1975  Charles Bronson
White Buffalo         ?  Charles Bronson
The Great Silence     1968    Jean-Louis Trintignant & Klaus Kinski

I like Kurt Russell but  ( Bone Tomahawk 2015 ) his last western film
 became a horror film in a certain way it's not very good.

From overtoom at mac.com  Sat Nov 28 18:43:19 2015
From: overtoom at mac.com (Andrew Overtoom)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 16:43:19 -0800
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
In-Reply-To: <1515017db31-15e2-bab0@webstg-m08.mail.aol.com>
References: <1515017db31-15e2-bab0@webstg-m08.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <FBF2FFE1-BF45-4571-85A9-FC62327B932A@mac.com>

Colcam, have you seen an advance copy? It doesn't get released until the end of December, so how is that you have generated such a negative opinion of the film?  I get that you're angry he's shooting  65mm super panavision because you don't like "the math" or something... and you think it's bullshit that they altered existing cameras to accept the vintage lenses (makes sense to me, I can't imagine who in their right mind would do it the opposite way?), but HOW do you know you don't like the film if you haven't seen it?  Isn't it possible that you might like the film whether it's shot on an iPhone or super panavision?
It's QT's movie, let him make it however he wants.  Why not save the anger and judgement and condemnation until after you screen it? Just in case you decide it's your  second favorite movie of all time and you love how it looks to boot :)

Best Regards
Andrew

Sent from where I am, to where you are... through a series of tubes

> On Nov 28, 2015, at 1:55 PM, colcam at aim.com wrote:
> 
> Having spent a few decades in completion bond I am very, very aware of costs, delivered product, and what it makes the image on the screen the image on the screen.  This movie has nothing to do with doing it the right way or wrong way, it has to do with catch phrases, marketing, and selling "a concept of delivery" to those who buy into parroting the copywriter.  
> 
> This is all about marketing. 
> 
> If you get right down to it, it has always been all about marketing, but in this case they seek to reel in those who love the medium, hoping they do not realize that the emperor has no clothes.  The larger film image means you can get greater depth of field for a given angle of view-- remember the math that your image rides on?  Scan and play with the image, making the contrast between colors greater and you get the old Technicolor look, more or less, but make sure you have huge sections of monochrome to keep the budget down, and hype it like crazy. 
> 
> This is a marketing exploitation of those who love film-- and it is going to continue the loud, bold colors, the lack of real storytelling, the choppy bright and in your face display.   It could have been shot as well or better with 35mm anamorphic, exposure timed and color timed to perfection and told the story-- but look at it and you'll see hype and splash and choppy colors. 
> 
> It is a parody of the business and the art by someone who pushes to see what he can get away with before he has to take a ton of money and try something else.  
> 
> Look at it, don't just worship it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Overtoom <overtoom at mac.com>
> 
> Colcam, we are looking forward to see your film, done the "right" way!  Until then I will have to be content with Tarantino's cheap and easy version :)
> 
> Sent from where I am, to where you are... through a series of tubes
> 
>> On Nov 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, colcam at aim.com wrote:
>> 
>> Modification of a camera body to accept older lenses means they took the CHEAP WAY OUT not something they believed in, they just settled for the cheapest way to do it.  Price new lenses, or even modification of several lenses to fit existing body types.  Modification of a body is cheaper than modification of one lens.
>> 
>> The look you froth over is what happens when large chunks of film are scanned at extreme high resolution and then processed through a full digital suite-- you are worshiping film strained through a digital intermediate to tweak colors and contrast.  That is how you get that great, snappy color, not some magical old lens and film stock being super duper stuff of all stuff. 
>> 
>> 
>> It is marketing being used to sell tickets, the image on the screen is an afterthought. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: photones <photones at juno.com>
>> 
>> Panavision believed in it enough to modify a camera to accept the older lenses that hadn't been used since 1965. That has to count for something. So even if it is a resurrection it functions.....no? 
>> 
>> ..
> 
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From bruinflight at gmail.com  Sat Nov 28 18:53:45 2015
From: bruinflight at gmail.com (Brandon Esten)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 16:53:45 -0800
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
In-Reply-To: <FBF2FFE1-BF45-4571-85A9-FC62327B932A@mac.com>
References: <1515017db31-15e2-bab0@webstg-m08.mail.aol.com>
	<FBF2FFE1-BF45-4571-85A9-FC62327B932A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAKrmt7VNFuLunZKMh-86QC_z32-rJqmXk+G0HjAPDx+_XXLSrw@mail.gmail.com>

Agreeing with this though, grumpy as it may be:

> Look at it, don't just worship it.
>

I have to say, a certain behind-the-scenes mystique is a good hook;
nostalgia a good worm. They've got me on the line and I'd love to see it
projected from a 70mm strip, digital intermediary or not. In any case, I
think Technicolor is totally dead isn't it? The craftsmen expertise is
flung to the corners of the world, Ben Kenobi-syle.

~B

From overtoom at mac.com  Sat Nov 28 20:32:07 2015
From: overtoom at mac.com (Andrew Overtoom)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 18:32:07 -0800
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
In-Reply-To: <CAKrmt7VNFuLunZKMh-86QC_z32-rJqmXk+G0HjAPDx+_XXLSrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1515017db31-15e2-bab0@webstg-m08.mail.aol.com>
	<FBF2FFE1-BF45-4571-85A9-FC62327B932A@mac.com>
	<CAKrmt7VNFuLunZKMh-86QC_z32-rJqmXk+G0HjAPDx+_XXLSrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C89E3FB9-256F-4CCC-A278-08EFE73B5A1D@mac.com>

Yeah, but nobody said they were worshipping it.  I believe Pierre said he wanted to see it, because it is something rare that we don't get a chance to see very often anymore.  And then I said the same.  
I think it looks great from what I saw on Pierre's link, I'm glad he posted it because I didn't know about it.  And I like where those Tarantino crew guys are coming from.  And I think the snow looks great in widescreen. I can't make those images. Those who can please raise your hand. Rather than words, let's see some images from those who can do better. I'd be happy to pay my $15 to them as well as QT :)

Sent from where I am, to where you are... through a series of tubes

> On Nov 28, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Brandon Esten <bruinflight at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Agreeing with this though, grumpy as it may be:
> 
>> Look at it, don't just worship it.
> 
> I have to say, a certain behind-the-scenes mystique is a good hook;
> nostalgia a good worm. They've got me on the line and I'd love to see it
> projected from a 70mm strip, digital intermediary or not. In any case, I
> think Technicolor is totally dead isn't it? The craftsmen expertise is
> flung to the corners of the world, Ben Kenobi-syle.
> 
> ~B
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
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From bruinflight at gmail.com  Sat Nov 28 20:33:45 2015
From: bruinflight at gmail.com (Brandon Esten)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 18:33:45 -0800
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
In-Reply-To: <C89E3FB9-256F-4CCC-A278-08EFE73B5A1D@mac.com>
References: <1515017db31-15e2-bab0@webstg-m08.mail.aol.com>
	<FBF2FFE1-BF45-4571-85A9-FC62327B932A@mac.com>
	<CAKrmt7VNFuLunZKMh-86QC_z32-rJqmXk+G0HjAPDx+_XXLSrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<C89E3FB9-256F-4CCC-A278-08EFE73B5A1D@mac.com>
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Indeed.

On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Andrew Overtoom <overtoom at mac.com> wrote:

> Yeah, but nobody said they were worshipping it.  I believe Pierre said he
> wanted to see it, because it is something rare that we don't get a chance
> to see very often anymore.  And then I said the same.
> I think it looks great from what I saw on Pierre's link, I'm glad he
> posted it because I didn't know about it.  And I like where those Tarantino
> crew guys are coming from.  And I think the snow looks great in widescreen.
> I can't make those images. Those who can please raise your hand. Rather
> than words, let's see some images from those who can do better. I'd be
> happy to pay my $15 to them as well as QT :)
>
> Sent from where I am, to where you are... through a series of tubes
>
> > On Nov 28, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Brandon Esten <bruinflight at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Agreeing with this though, grumpy as it may be:
> >
> >> Look at it, don't just worship it.
> >
> > I have to say, a certain behind-the-scenes mystique is a good hook;
> > nostalgia a good worm. They've got me on the line and I'd love to see it
> > projected from a 70mm strip, digital intermediary or not. In any case, I
> > think Technicolor is totally dead isn't it? The craftsmen expertise is
> > flung to the corners of the world, Ben Kenobi-syle.
> >
> > ~B
> >
> > WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the
> Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs
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> > http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema
> Cameras
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>
>
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From speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com  Sun Nov 29 05:02:54 2015
From: speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com (Speedbird@acousticturtle.plus.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 11:02:54 +0000
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
In-Reply-To: <E76C8FDC-EAB7-4EAF-A55D-D4A9C1628102@mac.com>
References: <20151128.134524.7548.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com>
	<1514fc8c16a-15e2-b828@webstg-m08.mail.aol.com>
	<E76C8FDC-EAB7-4EAF-A55D-D4A9C1628102@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5EB08C78-9E27-46F1-AFDD-A0F9E0649690@acousticturtle.plus.com>

It's good to see so many opinions emerging. Tarantino's marketing boys have achieved their goal 
They have made the public talk about their new film by explaining that not many cinemas are able to show 70mm and they will have to run a road show for that to happen. In itself that is quite clever, it has started a debate not just with this forum but also with the worlds press. This is why they have brought in a heavy weight to present the advertising campaign. Not many people know about 65mm film stock or do they care, they just want to see images telling a story. Personally, I get very excited when they mention 70mm as I instantly visualise the big block busters of yesteryear. The only 70mm film images that make my juices flow are Lawrence of Arabia where the vast expanse of the desert were displayed in its entirety.  The suns brilliance was captured perfectly so much so that the heat nearly boiled the film stock inside the mags. The expanse of the desert needed large negatives to really provide the sharpness for distant shots. It still takes my breath away in the opening shots and you can feel the heat coming off the sand shimmering in the distant. To be honest you can probably achieve the same thing with digital but in the 1960's 70mm was the "bees knees" in marketing tools as everybody was used to seeing 16mm and 35mm. Tarentino certainly makes successful films in terms of cash flow and he may get excited handling 65mm film stock but is he using it to make more stimulating films or  is it to use retro-cameras and lenses from the 1960's because that's what excites him being a fan of that era. Panavision are in the business of making money in whatever way they can and they are good at it. Retro fitting cameras raises their profile in the cinematic world and highlights their expertise reminding everyone that they are the leaders in the field and will do anything to remain at the top. That's good business sense.

The world is made up of millions multi talented people,  everybody has some sort of skill to share with others. Unfortunately, humans were given a mouth to express their woe's, thats what we do best. Some politicians do it rather well!  Making a film is the result of endless meetings and heated debates with like minded souls all seeking to exchange skills that can be used and perhaps valued by others. Expressing an opinion is a luxury in many countries.

Rita  ( now where did I put that 70mm projector)

Sent from my iPad

> On 28 Nov 2015, at 21:32, Andrew Overtoom <overtoom at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Colcam, we are looking forward to see your film, done the "right" way!  Until then I will have to be content with Tarantino's cheap and easy version :)
> 
> Sent from where I am, to where you are... through a series of tubes
> 
>> On Nov 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, colcam at aim.com wrote:
>> 
>> Modification of a camera body to accept older lenses means they took the CHEAP WAY OUT not something they believed in, they just settled for the cheapest way to do it.  Price new lenses, or even modification of several lenses to fit existing body types.  Modification of a body is cheaper than modification of one lens.
>> 
>> The look you froth over is what happens when large chunks of film are scanned at extreme high resolution and then processed through a full digital suite-- you are worshiping film strained through a digital intermediate to tweak colors and contrast.  That is how you get that great, snappy color, not some magical old lens and film stock being super duper stuff of all stuff. 
>> 
>> 
>> It is marketing being used to sell tickets, the image on the screen is an afterthought. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: photones <photones at juno.com>
>> 
>> Panavision believed in it enough to modify a camera to accept the older lenses that hadn't been used since 1965. That has to count for something. So even if it is a resurrection it functions.....no? 
>> 
>> .
>> 
>> 
>> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
>> 
>> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
>> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cinema mailing list
>> Cinema at konvas.org
>> http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema Cameras
>> 
>> Visit the discussion archives:
>> http://konvas.org/list-archives.html
>> 
>> Join the Konvas Discussion List:
>> http://mail.konvas.org/mailman/listinfo/cinema_konvas.org
>> 
>> Please be kind when replying and crop the replied message!!!
> 
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
> 
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From colcam at aim.com  Sun Nov 29 13:56:30 2015
From: colcam at aim.com (colcam at aim.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 14:56:30 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
In-Reply-To: <5EB08C78-9E27-46F1-AFDD-A0F9E0649690@acousticturtle.plus.com>
Message-ID: <15154d170a2-1b27-ca95@webstg-m03.mail.aol.com>

Part of my problem is that I lived through that "magic" era and worked on technical support for the supplimentary filming and tour stop release of several Cinerama Roadshows (a nightmare to shoot and show) and prep and technical work for shooting replacement footage for two of Super Panavison 70 features (spherical lenses, and sometimes the footage was too sharp!) and a week on a budget display scene for one Ultra Panavision 70 that was never completed.  I can look at two minutes of the format and see things most people cannot, and if you add OT's directorial work, it does not bode well.  The reason these lenses have not been used for such a long time is that better glass came along, not because they were too good, but because newer lenses were better, and when IMAX walked in they withered because of better image and projection. 
 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com <speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com>
To: Konvas Discussion List <cinema at konvas.org>
Sent: Sun, Nov 29, 2015 6:03 am
Subject: Re: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN

It's good to see so many opinions emerging. Tarantino's marketing boys have achieved their goal 
They have made the public talk about their new film by explaining that not many cinemas are able to show 70mm and they will have to run a road show for that to happen. In itself that is quite clever, it has started a debate not just with this forum but also with the worlds press. This is why they have brought in a heavy weight to present the advertising campaign. Not many people know about 65mm film stock or do they care, they just want to see images telling a story. Personally, I get very excited when they mention 70mm as I instantly visualise the big block busters of yesteryear. The only 70mm film images that make my juices flow are Lawrence of Arabia where the vast expanse of the desert were displayed in its entirety.  The suns brilliance was captured perfectly so much so that the heat nearly boiled the film stock inside the mags. The expanse of the desert needed large negatives to really provide the sharpness for distant shots. It still takes my breath away in the opening
  shots a
 nd you can feel the heat coming off the sand shimmering in the distant. To be honest you can probably achieve the same thing with digital but in the 1960's 70mm was the "bees knees" in marketing tools as everybody was used to seeing 16mm and 35mm. Tarentino certainly makes successful films in terms of cash flow and he may get excited handling 65mm film stock but is he using it to make more stimulating films or  is it to use retro-cameras and lenses from the 1960's because that's what excites him being a fan of that era. Panavision are in the business of making money in whatever way they can and they are good at it. Retro fitting cameras raises their profile in the cinematic world and highlights their expertise reminding everyone that they are the leaders in the field and will do anything to remain at the top. That's good business sense.

The world is made up of millions multi talented people,  everybody has some sort of skill to share with others. Unfortunately, humans were given a mouth to express their woe's, thats what we do best. Some politicians do it rather well!  Making a film is the result of endless meetings and heated debates with like minded souls all seeking to exchange skills that can be used and perhaps valued by others. Expressing an opinion is a luxury in many countries.

Rita  ( now where did I put that 70mm projector)

Sent from my iPad

> On 28 Nov 2015, at 21:32, Andrew Overtoom <overtoom at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Colcam, we are looking forward to see your film, done the "right" way!  Until then I will have to be content with Tarantino's cheap and easy version :)
> 
> Sent from where I am, to where you are... through a series of tubes
> 
>> On Nov 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, colcam at aim.com wrote:
>> 
>> Modification of a camera body to accept older lenses means they took the CHEAP WAY OUT not something they believed in, they just settled for the cheapest way to do it.  Price new lenses, or even modification of several lenses to fit existing body types.  Modification of a body is cheaper than modification of one lens.
>> 
>> The look you froth over is what happens when large chunks of film are scanned at extreme high resolution and then processed through a full digital suite-- you are worshiping film strained through a digital intermediate to tweak colors and contrast.  That is how you get that great, snappy color, not some magical old lens and film stock being super duper stuff of all stuff. 
>> 
>> 
>> It is marketing being used to sell tickets, the image on the screen is an afterthought. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: photones <photones at juno.com>
>> 
>> Panavision believed in it enough to modify a camera to accept the older lenses that hadn't been used since 1965. That has to count for something. So even if it is a resurrection it functions.....no? 
>> 
>> .
>> 
>> 
>> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
>> 
>> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
>> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cinema mailing list
>> Cinema at konvas.org
>> http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema Cameras
>> 
>> Visit the discussion archives:
>> http://konvas.org/list-archives.html
>> 
>> Join the Konvas Discussion List:
>> http://mail.konvas.org/mailman/listinfo/cinema_konvas.org
>> 
>> Please be kind when replying and crop the replied message!!!
> 
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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> 
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WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.

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From psrioux at gmail.com  Sun Nov 29 15:42:05 2015
From: psrioux at gmail.com (Pierre Samuel Rioux)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 16:42:05 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] I never seen a nice film in snow done in digital !!!!
Message-ID: <CAAQcLDwB+CV6XFvDJscJ+ASwmseWqcdiG240CSDey+Et0DO-RQ@mail.gmail.com>

The only nice scene in snow i  see in digital was shot at low light in
night.
And i think it's why they chose to do this film in winter.

From obscureimages at comcast.net  Mon Nov 30 09:53:58 2015
From: obscureimages at comcast.net (obscureimages at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 15:53:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Konvas] I never seen a nice film in snow done in digital !!!!
In-Reply-To: <CAAQcLDwB+CV6XFvDJscJ+ASwmseWqcdiG240CSDey+Et0DO-RQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAQcLDwB+CV6XFvDJscJ+ASwmseWqcdiG240CSDey+Et0DO-RQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <446788231.6565946.1448898838582.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

The Hateful 8 will have some awesome snow scenes shot on FILM - can't wait! Should have some awesome scenics too; it was shot near Telluride, CO. Absolutely gorgeous backdrops up there!! 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Pierre Samuel Rioux" <psrioux at gmail.com> 
To: cinema at konvas.org 
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 2:42:05 PM 
Subject: [Konvas] I never seen a nice film in snow done in digital !!!! 

The only nice scene in snow i see in digital was shot at low light in 
night. 
And i think it's why they chose to do this film in winter. 

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From psrioux at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 19:07:41 2015
From: psrioux at gmail.com (Pierre Samuel Rioux)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 19:07:41 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] LED light made from laptop INTERESTING
Message-ID: <CAAQcLDxTFiwhGTUWrYGeObJSun_s6hqqijrvygUaXqK8Tp7POw@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2KK4YiOO1o


From speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com  Fri Nov 13 06:41:35 2015
From: speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com (Speedbird@acousticturtle.plus.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 11:41:35 +0000
Subject: [Konvas] LED light made from laptop INTERESTING
In-Reply-To: <CAAQcLDxTFiwhGTUWrYGeObJSun_s6hqqijrvygUaXqK8Tp7POw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAQcLDxTFiwhGTUWrYGeObJSun_s6hqqijrvygUaXqK8Tp7POw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6FB0366E-72DE-4106-B3C7-7F22D5673114@acousticturtle.plus.com>

Just what I needed for the winter blues!  Will give it a go.

Rita

Sent from my iPad

> On 13 Nov 2015, at 00:07, Pierre Samuel Rioux <psrioux at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2KK4YiOO1o
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
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From thefirstrule at chainsawlinux.com  Mon Nov 16 10:00:34 2015
From: thefirstrule at chainsawlinux.com (Adam Frey)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 10:00:34 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] Raf is selling 6 lens set
Message-ID: <5C4B95B7-07B1-4158-A63D-EB6FF15A6EAA@chainsawlinux.com>

Not sure who's on Raf's email list, but saw that he's selling a PL mounted cine lens set. Thought I'd share here:

http://www.rafcamera.com/en/set-6-lomo-lenses-01
22mm, 28mm, 35mm, 50mm, 75mm, 150mm

I haven't shot anything since we opened the brewery, but it looks to be a decent set of lenses for a very reasonable price! And Raf has always stood behind his work. So anyone interested should check this set out!


Cheers,

Adam Frey
Frey's Brewing Company
8601 Mapleville Road
Mount Airy, MD 21771

http://FreysBrewing.com/
http://twitter.com/FreysBrewing
http://facebook.com/FreysBrewing




From speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com  Mon Nov 16 11:11:46 2015
From: speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com (Speedbird@acousticturtle.plus.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 16:11:46 +0000
Subject: [Konvas] Raf is selling 6 lens set
In-Reply-To: <5C4B95B7-07B1-4158-A63D-EB6FF15A6EAA@chainsawlinux.com>
References: <5C4B95B7-07B1-4158-A63D-EB6FF15A6EAA@chainsawlinux.com>
Message-ID: <4F4DA2F8-6A5A-4BCB-BFFC-C13ABDE79346@acousticturtle.plus.com>

Thanks Adam,

Very nice set, price is reasonable too. 

Rita

Sent from my iPad

> On 16 Nov 2015, at 15:00, Adam Frey <thefirstrule at chainsawlinux.com> wrote:
> 
> Not sure who's on Raf's email list, but saw that he's selling a PL mounted cine lens set. Thought I'd share here:
> 
> http://www.rafcamera.com/en/set-6-lomo-lenses-01
> 22mm, 28mm, 35mm, 50mm, 75mm, 150mm
> 
> I haven't shot anything since we opened the brewery, but it looks to be a decent set of lenses for a very reasonable price! And Raf has always stood behind his work. So anyone interested should check this set out!
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Adam Frey
> Frey's Brewing Company
> 8601 Mapleville Road
> Mount Airy, MD 21771
> 
> http://FreysBrewing.com/
> http://twitter.com/FreysBrewing
> http://facebook.com/FreysBrewing
> 
> 
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
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From olivierauverlau at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 12:06:39 2015
From: olivierauverlau at gmail.com (Olivier)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:06:39 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] still need front lens glass Angenieux ...
In-Reply-To: <4F4DA2F8-6A5A-4BCB-BFFC-C13ABDE79346@acousticturtle.plus.com>
References: <5C4B95B7-07B1-4158-A63D-EB6FF15A6EAA@chainsawlinux.com>
	<4F4DA2F8-6A5A-4BCB-BFFC-C13ABDE79346@acousticturtle.plus.com>
Message-ID: <F628C986-74EE-463F-BB44-20F8DF4C22DE@gmail.com>

hi all, i still need the front glass elem,net for my old angenieux ?.
ABELCINE don t have it ?. 
i write to ANGENIEUX in france to ask them , but any info is welcome were find this front glass element . 
it don t affect the image but i use it in commercials shots (in digital cameras) but nobody want see this crash on set !!! 

bests, olivier . 

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From speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com  Mon Nov 16 12:43:56 2015
From: speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com (Speedbird@acousticturtle.plus.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 17:43:56 +0000
Subject: [Konvas] still need front lens glass Angenieux ...
In-Reply-To: <F628C986-74EE-463F-BB44-20F8DF4C22DE@gmail.com>
References: <5C4B95B7-07B1-4158-A63D-EB6FF15A6EAA@chainsawlinux.com>
	<4F4DA2F8-6A5A-4BCB-BFFC-C13ABDE79346@acousticturtle.plus.com>
	<F628C986-74EE-463F-BB44-20F8DF4C22DE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B85E4F3E-A59F-4FBD-8553-F1B38ED43170@acousticturtle.plus.com>

Olivier,

It's very hard to comprehend the damage on your lens. It looks like an impact of some sort but not sure if the glass has smashed or not, the actual impact was on the side of the lens which has compressed the edge of the glass element but thankfully stopped short and saved the rest of the element from further damage. You have confirmed that the image has not been affected and so the lens is still usuable. There is no reason to repair it unless obcourse you want to sell it.  You will have to take a 10-15% cut in from its value  but that's all. It is still a useable lens as it is and holds a commercial value. You will be lucky to get an answer from Angie as I have tried before trying to get spares for my lenses but you may be lucky. I have asked a number of rental houses to contact me if they come across any spares for your lens but there been no luck so far. These older lenses have now passed on to collectors around the world and trying to establish where they are is a mine field in itself. Personally, I don't think anybody would notice if you are using a cracked lens or not but if it worries you then cut a circle of electrical tape around the inner circle  so to cover the damage up, nobody will know! 

A trade tip, is to use "jewellers Rouge" which I actually use for taking out scratches but in your case rub it over the area and leave it in a Matt finish, do not polish it off with finishing polish.  You will not notice the damage, naturally advise the buyer that this is what you have done and let them decide if they still want it. I would claim insurance and get a new one but that's up to you. Getting hold of spares for Angie glass is a real headache.

Will let you know if any spares turn up.

Rita

Sent from my iPad

> On 16 Nov 2015, at 17:06, Olivier <olivierauverlau at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> hi all, i still need the front glass elem,net for my old angenieux ?.
> ABELCINE don t have it ?. 
> i write to ANGENIEUX in france to ask them , but any info is welcome were find this front glass element . 
> it don t affect the image but i use it in commercials shots (in digital cameras) but nobody want see this crash on set !!! 
> 
> bests, olivier . 
> 
> <IMG_1454.JPG>
> <IMG_1456.JPG>
> <IMG_1453.JPG>
> <IMG_1455.JPG>
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com  Mon Nov 16 12:53:14 2015
From: speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com (Speedbird@acousticturtle.plus.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 17:53:14 +0000
Subject: [Konvas] still need front lens glass Angenieux ...
In-Reply-To: <F628C986-74EE-463F-BB44-20F8DF4C22DE@gmail.com>
References: <5C4B95B7-07B1-4158-A63D-EB6FF15A6EAA@chainsawlinux.com>
	<4F4DA2F8-6A5A-4BCB-BFFC-C13ABDE79346@acousticturtle.plus.com>
	<F628C986-74EE-463F-BB44-20F8DF4C22DE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40BBEBED-CD60-436C-AF16-77037F5A8903@acousticturtle.plus.com>

My last post should have read "black electrical tape around the outer circle" not inner circle.
Silly cow!!!

Sent from my iPad

> On 16 Nov 2015, at 17:06, Olivier <olivierauverlau at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> hi all, i still need the front glass elem,net for my old angenieux ?.
> ABELCINE don t have it ?. 
> i write to ANGENIEUX in france to ask them , but any info is welcome were find this front glass element . 
> it don t affect the image but i use it in commercials shots (in digital cameras) but nobody want see this crash on set !!! 
> 
> bests, olivier . 
> 
> <IMG_1454.JPG>
> <IMG_1456.JPG>
> <IMG_1453.JPG>
> <IMG_1455.JPG>
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cinema mailing list
> Cinema at konvas.org
> http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema Cameras
> 
> Visit the discussion archives:
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> Join the Konvas Discussion List:
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From olivierauverlau at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 13:01:33 2015
From: olivierauverlau at gmail.com (Olivier)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:01:33 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] still need front lens glass Angenieux ...
In-Reply-To: <B85E4F3E-A59F-4FBD-8553-F1B38ED43170@acousticturtle.plus.com>
References: <5C4B95B7-07B1-4158-A63D-EB6FF15A6EAA@chainsawlinux.com>
	<4F4DA2F8-6A5A-4BCB-BFFC-C13ABDE79346@acousticturtle.plus.com>
	<F628C986-74EE-463F-BB44-20F8DF4C22DE@gmail.com>
	<B85E4F3E-A59F-4FBD-8553-F1B38ED43170@acousticturtle.plus.com>
Message-ID: <CF3972FF-F11D-4543-90AF-837298FC2F64@gmail.com>

thanks RITA ?. i use it , but the problem is when i want rent it for shooting ? !!!!! 
the scratch is like a NAIL OFF ? so polish it will not desappear the punch on the glass ?. 
will try the Camouflage version ? ""  with a plastic sheet cutter round with laser ? and MASK the damage ?. 
thanks a lot ? 


Olivier
olivierauverlau at gmail.com



El 16/11/2015, a las 12:43, "Speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com" <speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com> escribi?:

> Olivier,
> 
> It's very hard to comprehend the damage on your lens. It looks like an impact of some sort but not sure if the glass has smashed or not, the actual impact was on the side of the lens which has compressed the edge of the glass element but thankfully stopped short and saved the rest of the element from further damage. You have confirmed that the image has not been affected and so the lens is still usuable. There is no reason to repair it unless obcourse you want to sell it.  You will have to take a 10-15% cut in from its value  but that's all. It is still a useable lens as it is and holds a commercial value. You will be lucky to get an answer from Angie as I have tried before trying to get spares for my lenses but you may be lucky. I have asked a number of rental houses to contact me if they come across any spares for your lens but there been no luck so far. These older lenses have now passed on to collectors around the world and trying to establish where they are is a mine field in itself. Personally, I don't think anybody would notice if you are using a cracked lens or not but if it worries you then cut a circle of electrical tape around the inner circle  so to cover the damage up, nobody will know! 
> 
> A trade tip, is to use "jewellers Rouge" which I actually use for taking out scratches but in your case rub it over the area and leave it in a Matt finish, do not polish it off with finishing polish.  You will not notice the damage, naturally advise the buyer that this is what you have done and let them decide if they still want it. I would claim insurance and get a new one but that's up to you. Getting hold of spares for Angie glass is a real headache.
> 
> Will let you know if any spares turn up.
> 
> Rita
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 16 Nov 2015, at 17:06, Olivier <olivierauverlau at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> hi all, i still need the front glass elem,net for my old angenieux ?.
>> ABELCINE don t have it ?. 
>> i write to ANGENIEUX in france to ask them , but any info is welcome were find this front glass element . 
>> it don t affect the image but i use it in commercials shots (in digital cameras) but nobody want see this crash on set !!! 
>> 
>> bests, olivier . 
>> 
>> <IMG_1454.JPG>
>> <IMG_1456.JPG>
>> <IMG_1453.JPG>
>> <IMG_1455.JPG>
>> 
>> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
>> 
>> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
>> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cinema mailing list
>> Cinema at konvas.org
>> http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema Cameras
>> 
>> Visit the discussion archives:
>> http://konvas.org/list-archives.html
>> 
>> Join the Konvas Discussion List:
>> http://mail.konvas.org/mailman/listinfo/cinema_konvas.org
>> 
>> Please be kind when replying and crop the replied message!!!
> 
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cinema mailing list
> Cinema at konvas.org
> http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema Cameras
> 
> Visit the discussion archives:
> http://konvas.org/list-archives.html
> 
> Join the Konvas Discussion List:
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> 
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From olivierauverlau at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 14:44:52 2015
From: olivierauverlau at gmail.com (Olivier)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 14:44:52 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] clone of mine !!!!! KINOR 2perf ...
In-Reply-To: <CF3972FF-F11D-4543-90AF-837298FC2F64@gmail.com>
References: <5C4B95B7-07B1-4158-A63D-EB6FF15A6EAA@chainsawlinux.com>
	<4F4DA2F8-6A5A-4BCB-BFFC-C13ABDE79346@acousticturtle.plus.com>
	<F628C986-74EE-463F-BB44-20F8DF4C22DE@gmail.com>
	<B85E4F3E-A59F-4FBD-8553-F1B38ED43170@acousticturtle.plus.com>
	<CF3972FF-F11D-4543-90AF-837298FC2F64@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B6FB61DA-5879-4339-AB01-33AD6E71692C@uio.satnet.net>

exact same than my camera !!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kinor-35H-35mm-Motion-Picture-2-Perf-TECHNISCOPE-/281854690875?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276
who is the seller ????
member of the group ?

olivier . 




From psrioux at gmail.com  Fri Nov 27 19:53:19 2015
From: psrioux at gmail.com (Pierre Samuel Rioux)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 19:53:19 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
Message-ID: <CAAQcLDwg9duGrr+Qub+GdpDmnLYcMN9zefzZZaA73HMC=2Z9_Q@mail.gmail.com>

HOPE TO HAVE A CINEMA PLAYING THIS ON FILM AT LESS OF A DAY FORM HOME ! IN
CANADA or USA i will go to watch it.

THAT IS A REAL: FILM EVENT !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGg2N32Z-co


From colcam at aim.com  Fri Nov 27 20:29:22 2015
From: colcam at aim.com (colcam at aim.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 20:29:22 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
In-Reply-To: <CAAQcLDwg9duGrr+Qub+GdpDmnLYcMN9zefzZZaA73HMC=2Z9_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAQcLDwg9duGrr+Qub+GdpDmnLYcMN9zefzZZaA73HMC=2Z9_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1514bb57826-7f52-a34b@webstg-a08.mail.aol.com>

I hate to admit this, but from his actions, statements, and the product he put forth I choose not to have anything to do with QT or any of his work.  His false and insulting portrayals of behavior frighten me, and that anyone can be a fan of his raises fright to the level of terror.  

What you termed a film event I call an atrocity on screen; nasty, ugly, and intended to line his pockets at the cost of common dignity and honesty.

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Pierre Samuel Rioux <psrioux at gmail.com>
To: cinema <cinema at konvas.org>
Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2015 7:53 pm
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN

HOPE TO HAVE A CINEMA PLAYING THIS ON FILM AT LESS OF A DAY FORM HOME ! IN
CANADA or USA i will go to watch it.

THAT IS A REAL: FILM EVENT !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGg2N32Z-co

WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.

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From overtoom at mac.com  Sat Nov 28 02:41:52 2015
From: overtoom at mac.com (Andrew Overtoom)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 23:41:52 -0800
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
In-Reply-To: <CAAQcLDwg9duGrr+Qub+GdpDmnLYcMN9zefzZZaA73HMC=2Z9_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAQcLDwg9duGrr+Qub+GdpDmnLYcMN9zefzZZaA73HMC=2Z9_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79779EB3-258F-41AB-934D-F943D932C623@mac.com>

This looks amazing, I can't wait to see it.
I agree Pierre, it is a true film event! Thanks for the heads up!

-Andrew Overtoom

Sent from where I am, to where you are... through a series of tubes

> On Nov 27, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Pierre Samuel Rioux <psrioux at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> HOPE TO HAVE A CINEMA PLAYING THIS ON FILM AT LESS OF A DAY FORM HOME ! IN
> CANADA or USA i will go to watch it.
> 
> THAT IS A REAL: FILM EVENT !
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGg2N32Z-co
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Cinema at konvas.org
> http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema Cameras
> 
> Visit the discussion archives:
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> 
> Join the Konvas Discussion List:
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From speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com  Sat Nov 28 05:59:39 2015
From: speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com (Speedbird@acousticturtle.plus.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:59:39 +0000
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
In-Reply-To: <CAAQcLDwg9duGrr+Qub+GdpDmnLYcMN9zefzZZaA73HMC=2Z9_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAQcLDwg9duGrr+Qub+GdpDmnLYcMN9zefzZZaA73HMC=2Z9_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8EA0F14C-BEA9-4541-972C-5EB0E3BA63B1@acousticturtle.plus.com>

Very interesting. Not sure how they have made it "Ultra" 65mm using old 65's but they seem to have done it.  Kurt Russell is one of my favourites and will sell any film, unfortunately Tarentino is over rated imo so am eager to see this film in all of its glory. I love 70mm movies and is the perfect format for shooting "grand" films but is this a "grand" film. A film set in the winter is not taking full advantage of the merits of 65mm.  A bold film format needs bold scenic locations to match, that will hold your breath from the beginning to the end.

Time will tell. Nice to see old glass being used again.

Rita

Sent from my iPad

> On 28 Nov 2015, at 00:53, Pierre Samuel Rioux <psrioux at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> HOPE TO HAVE A CINEMA PLAYING THIS ON FILM AT LESS OF A DAY FORM HOME ! IN
> CANADA or USA i will go to watch it.
> 
> THAT IS A REAL: FILM EVENT !
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGg2N32Z-co
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From mustafaumutsarac at gmail.com  Sat Nov 28 07:06:38 2015
From: mustafaumutsarac at gmail.com (Mustafa Umut Sarac)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:06:38 +0200
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
In-Reply-To: <8EA0F14C-BEA9-4541-972C-5EB0E3BA63B1@acousticturtle.plus.com>
References: <CAAQcLDwg9duGrr+Qub+GdpDmnLYcMN9zefzZZaA73HMC=2Z9_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<8EA0F14C-BEA9-4541-972C-5EB0E3BA63B1@acousticturtle.plus.com>
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I think problem is whether the film is old technicolor or ordinary blue
cast kodak movie film. If I want to a good scenic color , I would buy
national geographic magazine printed by rotogravure. I dont think tarantino
created a new ben hur and
computer glasses can imitate huge screens for 50 dollar , a little bit
photoshop , a little bit fx , you can watch every movie in that direction
with glasses

On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com <
speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com> wrote:

> Very interesting. Not sure how they have made it "Ultra" 65mm using old
> 65's but they seem to have done it.  Kurt Russell is one of my favourites
> and will sell any film, unfortunately Tarentino is over rated imo so am
> eager to see this film in all of its glory. I love 70mm movies and is the
> perfect format for shooting "grand" films but is this a "grand" film. A
> film set in the winter is not taking full advantage of the merits of 65mm.
> A bold film format needs bold scenic locations to match, that will hold
> your breath from the beginning to the end.
>
> Time will tell. Nice to see old glass being used again.
>
> Rita
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 28 Nov 2015, at 00:53, Pierre Samuel Rioux <psrioux at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > HOPE TO HAVE A CINEMA PLAYING THIS ON FILM AT LESS OF A DAY FORM HOME !
> IN
> > CANADA or USA i will go to watch it.
> >
> > THAT IS A REAL: FILM EVENT !
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGg2N32Z-co
> >
> > WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the
> Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs
> money.
> >
> > Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much
> appreciated:
> > http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cinema mailing list
> > Cinema at konvas.org
> > http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema
> Cameras
> >
> > Visit the discussion archives:
> > http://konvas.org/list-archives.html
> >
> > Join the Konvas Discussion List:
> > http://mail.konvas.org/mailman/listinfo/cinema_konvas.org
> >
> > Please be kind when replying and crop the replied message!!!
>
>
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the
> Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs
> money.
>
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Cameras
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>
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From photones at juno.com  Sat Nov 28 08:52:15 2015
From: photones at juno.com (photones at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 13:52:15 GMT
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
Message-ID: <20151128.085215.18991.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

Whether or not you care for the subject matter,there now exists a new(?) camera to take advantage of this glorious format. Three cheers for Tarantino! ....couldn't you just cradle those lenses!!

From colcam at aim.com  Sat Nov 28 11:00:50 2015
From: colcam at aim.com (colcam at aim.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 11:00:50 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
In-Reply-To: <20151128.085215.18991.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com>
References: <20151128.085215.18991.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <1514ed352f8-15e2-b063@webstg-m08.mail.aol.com>

Slap a new label on an old dog and you can convince the gullible you have a new super dog.  

He's talking people into believing he has a new dog.

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: photones <photones at juno.com>

Whether or not you care for the subject matter,there now exists a new(?) camera to take advantage of this glorious format. Three cheers for Tarantino! ....couldn't you just cradle those lenses!!

.



From overtoom at mac.com  Sat Nov 28 12:58:44 2015
From: overtoom at mac.com (Andrew Overtoom)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 09:58:44 -0800
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
In-Reply-To: <1514ed352f8-15e2-b063@webstg-m08.mail.aol.com>
References: <20151128.085215.18991.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com>
	<1514ed352f8-15e2-b063@webstg-m08.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <6491A3ED-38C3-44AB-B4C1-8DA2064B2935@mac.com>

Well, he's making real films; I guess you can call that an old dog at this point.  But I don't really see why that should make some folks on this film camera list angry. Besides, what's the matter with an old dog?  I like old dogs.

Andrew Overtoom

Sent from where I am, to where you are... through a series of tubes

> On Nov 28, 2015, at 8:00 AM, colcam at aim.com wrote:
> 
> Slap a new label on an old dog and you can convince the gullible you have a new super dog.  
> 
> He's talking people into believing he has a new dog.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: photones <photones at juno.com>
> 
> Whether or not you care for the subject matter,there now exists a new(?) camera to take advantage of this glorious format. Three cheers for Tarantino! ....couldn't you just cradle those lenses!!
> 
> .
> 
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> Visit the discussion archives:
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> 
> Join the Konvas Discussion List:
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From photones at juno.com  Sat Nov 28 13:45:24 2015
From: photones at juno.com (photones at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 18:45:24 GMT
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
Message-ID: <20151128.134524.7548.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com>

 Panavision believed in it enough to modify a camera to accept the older lenses that hadn't been used since 1965. That has to count for something. So even if it is a resurrection it functions.....no? 

From colcam at aim.com  Sat Nov 28 15:28:55 2015
From: colcam at aim.com (colcam at aim.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 15:28:55 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
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Modification of a camera body to accept older lenses means they took the CHEAP WAY OUT not something they believed in, they just settled for the cheapest way to do it.  Price new lenses, or even modification of several lenses to fit existing body types.  Modification of a body is cheaper than modification of one lens.

The look you froth over is what happens when large chunks of film are scanned at extreme high resolution and then processed through a full digital suite-- you are worshiping film strained through a digital intermediate to tweak colors and contrast.  That is how you get that great, snappy color, not some magical old lens and film stock being super duper stuff of all stuff. 

 
It is marketing being used to sell tickets, the image on the screen is an afterthought. 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: photones <photones at juno.com>

Panavision believed in it enough to modify a camera to accept the older lenses that hadn't been used since 1965. That has to count for something. So even if it is a resurrection it functions.....no? 

.



From photones at juno.com  Sat Nov 28 15:48:58 2015
From: photones at juno.com (photones at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 20:48:58 GMT
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
Message-ID: <20151128.154858.30929.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>

Guess I can't win. I don't know how authentic he tried to keep the look but he's gone to a lot of trouble just to project it back on film. I'm sure that Robert Richardson did his best with it and had fun too .Ain't much left like what used to be with anything these days....guns still use bullets.

From overtoom at mac.com  Sat Nov 28 16:32:35 2015
From: overtoom at mac.com (Andrew Overtoom)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 13:32:35 -0800
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
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Colcam, we are looking forward to see your film, done the "right" way!  Until then I will have to be content with Tarantino's cheap and easy version :)

Sent from where I am, to where you are... through a series of tubes

> On Nov 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, colcam at aim.com wrote:
> 
> Modification of a camera body to accept older lenses means they took the CHEAP WAY OUT not something they believed in, they just settled for the cheapest way to do it.  Price new lenses, or even modification of several lenses to fit existing body types.  Modification of a body is cheaper than modification of one lens.
> 
> The look you froth over is what happens when large chunks of film are scanned at extreme high resolution and then processed through a full digital suite-- you are worshiping film strained through a digital intermediate to tweak colors and contrast.  That is how you get that great, snappy color, not some magical old lens and film stock being super duper stuff of all stuff. 
> 
> 
> It is marketing being used to sell tickets, the image on the screen is an afterthought. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: photones <photones at juno.com>
> 
> Panavision believed in it enough to modify a camera to accept the older lenses that hadn't been used since 1965. That has to count for something. So even if it is a resurrection it functions.....no? 
> 
> .
> 
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
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From colcam at aim.com  Sat Nov 28 16:55:19 2015
From: colcam at aim.com (colcam at aim.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 16:55:19 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
In-Reply-To: <E76C8FDC-EAB7-4EAF-A55D-D4A9C1628102@mac.com>
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Having spent a few decades in completion bond I am very, very aware of costs, delivered product, and what it makes the image on the screen the image on the screen.  This movie has nothing to do with doing it the right way or wrong way, it has to do with catch phrases, marketing, and selling "a concept of delivery" to those who buy into parroting the copywriter.  

This is all about marketing. 

If you get right down to it, it has always been all about marketing, but in this case they seek to reel in those who love the medium, hoping they do not realize that the emperor has no clothes.  The larger film image means you can get greater depth of field for a given angle of view-- remember the math that your image rides on?  Scan and play with the image, making the contrast between colors greater and you get the old Technicolor look, more or less, but make sure you have huge sections of monochrome to keep the budget down, and hype it like crazy. 

This is a marketing exploitation of those who love film-- and it is going to continue the loud, bold colors, the lack of real storytelling, the choppy bright and in your face display.   It could have been shot as well or better with 35mm anamorphic, exposure timed and color timed to perfection and told the story-- but look at it and you'll see hype and splash and choppy colors. 

It is a parody of the business and the art by someone who pushes to see what he can get away with before he has to take a ton of money and try something else.  

Look at it, don't just worship it.

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Overtoom <overtoom at mac.com>

Colcam, we are looking forward to see your film, done the "right" way!  Until then I will have to be content with Tarantino's cheap and easy version :)

Sent from where I am, to where you are... through a series of tubes

> On Nov 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, colcam at aim.com wrote:
> 
> Modification of a camera body to accept older lenses means they took the CHEAP WAY OUT not something they believed in, they just settled for the cheapest way to do it.  Price new lenses, or even modification of several lenses to fit existing body types.  Modification of a body is cheaper than modification of one lens.
> 
> The look you froth over is what happens when large chunks of film are scanned at extreme high resolution and then processed through a full digital suite-- you are worshiping film strained through a digital intermediate to tweak colors and contrast.  That is how you get that great, snappy color, not some magical old lens and film stock being super duper stuff of all stuff. 
> 
> 
> It is marketing being used to sell tickets, the image on the screen is an afterthought. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: photones <photones at juno.com>
> 
> Panavision believed in it enough to modify a camera to accept the older lenses that hadn't been used since 1965. That has to count for something. So even if it is a resurrection it functions.....no? 
> 
> ..



From psrioux at gmail.com  Sat Nov 28 17:20:02 2015
From: psrioux at gmail.com (Pierre Samuel Rioux)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 17:20:02 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] I AM NOT A TARANTINO FAN
Message-ID: <CAAQcLDyQLsjgDTsaWAO0=YHrAN6c_kzmbpANgUJx1oN5pPs-mw@mail.gmail.com>

With his film DJANGO a western in the Italian Style Tarantino respect the
style
and it's the only film from him i like. Tarantino was very disappointed
with the PLASTIC LOOK  of his Django film how was shot in film and was
available in 35mm also at this time.

I am a western fan and specially the one made in the Italian wave.

Western in winter in my collection you have some very good:

North Star with   1996  Christopher Lambert
Jeremiah Johnson 1972  Robert Redford
Breakheart Pass     1975  Charles Bronson
White Buffalo         ?  Charles Bronson
The Great Silence     1968    Jean-Louis Trintignant & Klaus Kinski

I like Kurt Russell but  ( Bone Tomahawk 2015 ) his last western film
 became a horror film in a certain way it's not very good.


From overtoom at mac.com  Sat Nov 28 19:43:19 2015
From: overtoom at mac.com (Andrew Overtoom)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 16:43:19 -0800
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
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Colcam, have you seen an advance copy? It doesn't get released until the end of December, so how is that you have generated such a negative opinion of the film?  I get that you're angry he's shooting  65mm super panavision because you don't like "the math" or something... and you think it's bullshit that they altered existing cameras to accept the vintage lenses (makes sense to me, I can't imagine who in their right mind would do it the opposite way?), but HOW do you know you don't like the film if you haven't seen it?  Isn't it possible that you might like the film whether it's shot on an iPhone or super panavision?
It's QT's movie, let him make it however he wants.  Why not save the anger and judgement and condemnation until after you screen it? Just in case you decide it's your  second favorite movie of all time and you love how it looks to boot :)

Best Regards
Andrew

Sent from where I am, to where you are... through a series of tubes

> On Nov 28, 2015, at 1:55 PM, colcam at aim.com wrote:
> 
> Having spent a few decades in completion bond I am very, very aware of costs, delivered product, and what it makes the image on the screen the image on the screen.  This movie has nothing to do with doing it the right way or wrong way, it has to do with catch phrases, marketing, and selling "a concept of delivery" to those who buy into parroting the copywriter.  
> 
> This is all about marketing. 
> 
> If you get right down to it, it has always been all about marketing, but in this case they seek to reel in those who love the medium, hoping they do not realize that the emperor has no clothes.  The larger film image means you can get greater depth of field for a given angle of view-- remember the math that your image rides on?  Scan and play with the image, making the contrast between colors greater and you get the old Technicolor look, more or less, but make sure you have huge sections of monochrome to keep the budget down, and hype it like crazy. 
> 
> This is a marketing exploitation of those who love film-- and it is going to continue the loud, bold colors, the lack of real storytelling, the choppy bright and in your face display.   It could have been shot as well or better with 35mm anamorphic, exposure timed and color timed to perfection and told the story-- but look at it and you'll see hype and splash and choppy colors. 
> 
> It is a parody of the business and the art by someone who pushes to see what he can get away with before he has to take a ton of money and try something else.  
> 
> Look at it, don't just worship it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Overtoom <overtoom at mac.com>
> 
> Colcam, we are looking forward to see your film, done the "right" way!  Until then I will have to be content with Tarantino's cheap and easy version :)
> 
> Sent from where I am, to where you are... through a series of tubes
> 
>> On Nov 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, colcam at aim.com wrote:
>> 
>> Modification of a camera body to accept older lenses means they took the CHEAP WAY OUT not something they believed in, they just settled for the cheapest way to do it.  Price new lenses, or even modification of several lenses to fit existing body types.  Modification of a body is cheaper than modification of one lens.
>> 
>> The look you froth over is what happens when large chunks of film are scanned at extreme high resolution and then processed through a full digital suite-- you are worshiping film strained through a digital intermediate to tweak colors and contrast.  That is how you get that great, snappy color, not some magical old lens and film stock being super duper stuff of all stuff. 
>> 
>> 
>> It is marketing being used to sell tickets, the image on the screen is an afterthought. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: photones <photones at juno.com>
>> 
>> Panavision believed in it enough to modify a camera to accept the older lenses that hadn't been used since 1965. That has to count for something. So even if it is a resurrection it functions.....no? 
>> 
>> ..
> 
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
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From bruinflight at gmail.com  Sat Nov 28 19:53:45 2015
From: bruinflight at gmail.com (Brandon Esten)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 16:53:45 -0800
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
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Agreeing with this though, grumpy as it may be:

> Look at it, don't just worship it.
>

I have to say, a certain behind-the-scenes mystique is a good hook;
nostalgia a good worm. They've got me on the line and I'd love to see it
projected from a 70mm strip, digital intermediary or not. In any case, I
think Technicolor is totally dead isn't it? The craftsmen expertise is
flung to the corners of the world, Ben Kenobi-syle.

~B


From overtoom at mac.com  Sat Nov 28 21:32:07 2015
From: overtoom at mac.com (Andrew Overtoom)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 18:32:07 -0800
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
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Yeah, but nobody said they were worshipping it.  I believe Pierre said he wanted to see it, because it is something rare that we don't get a chance to see very often anymore.  And then I said the same.  
I think it looks great from what I saw on Pierre's link, I'm glad he posted it because I didn't know about it.  And I like where those Tarantino crew guys are coming from.  And I think the snow looks great in widescreen. I can't make those images. Those who can please raise your hand. Rather than words, let's see some images from those who can do better. I'd be happy to pay my $15 to them as well as QT :)

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> On Nov 28, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Brandon Esten <bruinflight at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Agreeing with this though, grumpy as it may be:
> 
>> Look at it, don't just worship it.
> 
> I have to say, a certain behind-the-scenes mystique is a good hook;
> nostalgia a good worm. They've got me on the line and I'd love to see it
> projected from a 70mm strip, digital intermediary or not. In any case, I
> think Technicolor is totally dead isn't it? The craftsmen expertise is
> flung to the corners of the world, Ben Kenobi-syle.
> 
> ~B
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
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From bruinflight at gmail.com  Sat Nov 28 21:33:45 2015
From: bruinflight at gmail.com (Brandon Esten)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 18:33:45 -0800
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
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Indeed.

On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Andrew Overtoom <overtoom at mac.com> wrote:

> Yeah, but nobody said they were worshipping it.  I believe Pierre said he
> wanted to see it, because it is something rare that we don't get a chance
> to see very often anymore.  And then I said the same.
> I think it looks great from what I saw on Pierre's link, I'm glad he
> posted it because I didn't know about it.  And I like where those Tarantino
> crew guys are coming from.  And I think the snow looks great in widescreen.
> I can't make those images. Those who can please raise your hand. Rather
> than words, let's see some images from those who can do better. I'd be
> happy to pay my $15 to them as well as QT :)
>
> Sent from where I am, to where you are... through a series of tubes
>
> > On Nov 28, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Brandon Esten <bruinflight at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Agreeing with this though, grumpy as it may be:
> >
> >> Look at it, don't just worship it.
> >
> > I have to say, a certain behind-the-scenes mystique is a good hook;
> > nostalgia a good worm. They've got me on the line and I'd love to see it
> > projected from a 70mm strip, digital intermediary or not. In any case, I
> > think Technicolor is totally dead isn't it? The craftsmen expertise is
> > flung to the corners of the world, Ben Kenobi-syle.
> >
> > ~B
> >
> > WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the
> Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs
> money.
> >
> > Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much
> appreciated:
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> > http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema
> Cameras
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>
>
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the
> Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs
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From speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com  Sun Nov 29 06:02:54 2015
From: speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com (Speedbird@acousticturtle.plus.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 11:02:54 +0000
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
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It's good to see so many opinions emerging. Tarantino's marketing boys have achieved their goal 
They have made the public talk about their new film by explaining that not many cinemas are able to show 70mm and they will have to run a road show for that to happen. In itself that is quite clever, it has started a debate not just with this forum but also with the worlds press. This is why they have brought in a heavy weight to present the advertising campaign. Not many people know about 65mm film stock or do they care, they just want to see images telling a story. Personally, I get very excited when they mention 70mm as I instantly visualise the big block busters of yesteryear. The only 70mm film images that make my juices flow are Lawrence of Arabia where the vast expanse of the desert were displayed in its entirety.  The suns brilliance was captured perfectly so much so that the heat nearly boiled the film stock inside the mags. The expanse of the desert needed large negatives to really provide the sharpness for distant shots. It still takes my breath away in the opening shots and you can feel the heat coming off the sand shimmering in the distant. To be honest you can probably achieve the same thing with digital but in the 1960's 70mm was the "bees knees" in marketing tools as everybody was used to seeing 16mm and 35mm. Tarentino certainly makes successful films in terms of cash flow and he may get excited handling 65mm film stock but is he using it to make more stimulating films or  is it to use retro-cameras and lenses from the 1960's because that's what excites him being a fan of that era. Panavision are in the business of making money in whatever way they can and they are good at it. Retro fitting cameras raises their profile in the cinematic world and highlights their expertise reminding everyone that they are the leaders in the field and will do anything to remain at the top. That's good business sense.

The world is made up of millions multi talented people,  everybody has some sort of skill to share with others. Unfortunately, humans were given a mouth to express their woe's, thats what we do best. Some politicians do it rather well!  Making a film is the result of endless meetings and heated debates with like minded souls all seeking to exchange skills that can be used and perhaps valued by others. Expressing an opinion is a luxury in many countries.

Rita  ( now where did I put that 70mm projector)

Sent from my iPad

> On 28 Nov 2015, at 21:32, Andrew Overtoom <overtoom at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Colcam, we are looking forward to see your film, done the "right" way!  Until then I will have to be content with Tarantino's cheap and easy version :)
> 
> Sent from where I am, to where you are... through a series of tubes
> 
>> On Nov 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, colcam at aim.com wrote:
>> 
>> Modification of a camera body to accept older lenses means they took the CHEAP WAY OUT not something they believed in, they just settled for the cheapest way to do it.  Price new lenses, or even modification of several lenses to fit existing body types.  Modification of a body is cheaper than modification of one lens.
>> 
>> The look you froth over is what happens when large chunks of film are scanned at extreme high resolution and then processed through a full digital suite-- you are worshiping film strained through a digital intermediate to tweak colors and contrast.  That is how you get that great, snappy color, not some magical old lens and film stock being super duper stuff of all stuff. 
>> 
>> 
>> It is marketing being used to sell tickets, the image on the screen is an afterthought. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: photones <photones at juno.com>
>> 
>> Panavision believed in it enough to modify a camera to accept the older lenses that hadn't been used since 1965. That has to count for something. So even if it is a resurrection it functions.....no? 
>> 
>> .
>> 
>> 
>> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
>> 
>> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
>> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema Cameras
>> 
>> Visit the discussion archives:
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>> Join the Konvas Discussion List:
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>> Please be kind when replying and crop the replied message!!!
> 
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
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From colcam at aim.com  Sun Nov 29 14:56:30 2015
From: colcam at aim.com (colcam at aim.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 14:56:30 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN
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Part of my problem is that I lived through that "magic" era and worked on technical support for the supplimentary filming and tour stop release of several Cinerama Roadshows (a nightmare to shoot and show) and prep and technical work for shooting replacement footage for two of Super Panavison 70 features (spherical lenses, and sometimes the footage was too sharp!) and a week on a budget display scene for one Ultra Panavision 70 that was never completed.  I can look at two minutes of the format and see things most people cannot, and if you add OT's directorial work, it does not bode well.  The reason these lenses have not been used for such a long time is that better glass came along, not because they were too good, but because newer lenses were better, and when IMAX walked in they withered because of better image and projection. 
 

 

 

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Subject: Re: [Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN

It's good to see so many opinions emerging. Tarantino's marketing boys have achieved their goal 
They have made the public talk about their new film by explaining that not many cinemas are able to show 70mm and they will have to run a road show for that to happen. In itself that is quite clever, it has started a debate not just with this forum but also with the worlds press. This is why they have brought in a heavy weight to present the advertising campaign. Not many people know about 65mm film stock or do they care, they just want to see images telling a story. Personally, I get very excited when they mention 70mm as I instantly visualise the big block busters of yesteryear. The only 70mm film images that make my juices flow are Lawrence of Arabia where the vast expanse of the desert were displayed in its entirety.  The suns brilliance was captured perfectly so much so that the heat nearly boiled the film stock inside the mags. The expanse of the desert needed large negatives to really provide the sharpness for distant shots. It still takes my breath away in the opening
  shots a
 nd you can feel the heat coming off the sand shimmering in the distant. To be honest you can probably achieve the same thing with digital but in the 1960's 70mm was the "bees knees" in marketing tools as everybody was used to seeing 16mm and 35mm. Tarentino certainly makes successful films in terms of cash flow and he may get excited handling 65mm film stock but is he using it to make more stimulating films or  is it to use retro-cameras and lenses from the 1960's because that's what excites him being a fan of that era. Panavision are in the business of making money in whatever way they can and they are good at it. Retro fitting cameras raises their profile in the cinematic world and highlights their expertise reminding everyone that they are the leaders in the field and will do anything to remain at the top. That's good business sense.

The world is made up of millions multi talented people,  everybody has some sort of skill to share with others. Unfortunately, humans were given a mouth to express their woe's, thats what we do best. Some politicians do it rather well!  Making a film is the result of endless meetings and heated debates with like minded souls all seeking to exchange skills that can be used and perhaps valued by others. Expressing an opinion is a luxury in many countries.

Rita  ( now where did I put that 70mm projector)

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> On 28 Nov 2015, at 21:32, Andrew Overtoom <overtoom at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Colcam, we are looking forward to see your film, done the "right" way!  Until then I will have to be content with Tarantino's cheap and easy version :)
> 
> Sent from where I am, to where you are... through a series of tubes
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>> On Nov 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, colcam at aim.com wrote:
>> 
>> Modification of a camera body to accept older lenses means they took the CHEAP WAY OUT not something they believed in, they just settled for the cheapest way to do it.  Price new lenses, or even modification of several lenses to fit existing body types.  Modification of a body is cheaper than modification of one lens.
>> 
>> The look you froth over is what happens when large chunks of film are scanned at extreme high resolution and then processed through a full digital suite-- you are worshiping film strained through a digital intermediate to tweak colors and contrast.  That is how you get that great, snappy color, not some magical old lens and film stock being super duper stuff of all stuff. 
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>> It is marketing being used to sell tickets, the image on the screen is an afterthought. 
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>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Panavision believed in it enough to modify a camera to accept the older lenses that hadn't been used since 1965. That has to count for something. So even if it is a resurrection it functions.....no? 
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From psrioux at gmail.com  Sun Nov 29 16:42:05 2015
From: psrioux at gmail.com (Pierre Samuel Rioux)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 16:42:05 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] I never seen a nice film in snow done in digital !!!!
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The only nice scene in snow i  see in digital was shot at low light in
night.
And i think it's why they chose to do this film in winter.


From obscureimages at comcast.net  Mon Nov 30 10:53:58 2015
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 15:53:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Konvas] I never seen a nice film in snow done in digital !!!!
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The Hateful 8 will have some awesome snow scenes shot on FILM - can't wait! Should have some awesome scenics too; it was shot near Telluride, CO. Absolutely gorgeous backdrops up there!! 

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